tonight's last word. her important new book is titled necessary trouble. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. ruhle starts n ow >> tonight, bond conditions are in georgia's case against the former president. he has until the end of this week to turn himself in. plus, what mark meadows told the special counsel of the classified documents. and less than two days until the first republican debate but the front runner will be there. what his absence means for the gop? then extreme weather ravaging the west coast. we'll talk to a climate change expert about what has been happening and what is next, as the 11th hour gets underway on the monday night. good evening, i am alicia menendez in for stephanie ruhle. we're heading into another critical week for the former president as he fights racketeering charges in the

georgia election interference case. he's facing a friday noon deadline to surrender at the county jail. that night, he posted on social media that he would be arrested this thursday. the day, trump's bond was set at hundred thousand dollars. the agreement bars in from intimidating or threatening codefendants or witnesses, including post or post on social media. his lawyers have appeared they spent a good part of the day at the courthouse, meeting with members at the office about that the and to surrender. meanwhile, in the federal election case, special counsel jack smith is pushing back against trump's attempt to push the trial to april 2026. and a new court filing, smith writes that with the 90 public its right to a speedy trial. both sides were said to me here on the issue next monday. also following the latest on another key figure in trump's legal battles. abc news reports that his former chief of staff mark meadows told jack smith and is investigators that he could not recall trump ever discussing

the classifying broad sense of classified materials before leaving the white house. former vice president mike pence also told abc that he was not aware of any broad base effort to declassify documents. comments from pence and mark meadows underlines trump's main defense in the classified documents case. >> if there were such an order, it's impossible to imagine that neither his chief of staff nor's vice president would know about. one of them, if not all of them would certainly have had known about such a broad declassification quarter, even if it was that one where he could just think about things. >> mark meadows, he will recall, is also trumps codefendant in the georgia election case. he's not asking the judge to dismiss charges. with the, let's bring in our lead off panel. katie benner, pulitzer prize -winning reporter for the new york times, former new york prosecutor and support rights attorney, charles coleman jr., greg bluestein a political

reporter for the atlanta constitution and a msnbc contributor. greg, let start with you. trump on social media says he will be arrested on thursday. what are you hearing? >> he will report to the fulton county jail on thursday. they've had that date circled. now, he's made it on the record. there is all sorts of media can't out there. the fulton county jails are taking a lot of precautions, including warning the borders and the public that it will be locked down, that there will be limiting anxious -- access to the fulton county jail, which is already a facility under high security getting even higher security with the former president. we are not expecting him to spend too much time there. -- >> greg, trump's bond is set today, john eastman also had their bond set at $100,000. explain how this generally works in georgia. >> well, bond is set, and there are conditions to the bonds. if any of these defendants

violate the conditions, there could be arrested or worse, served time. with the former president donald trump's spot, there are also conditions that he does not align -- malign the prosecutors in the case, interfere with the investigation, make any contact with codefendants outside of his legal team and not post on social media and eating deprecating. that would be a challenge for the president, obviously. >> a challenge to say the least. >> with that challenge and a second. charles, i want to get your take on trump's bond. the amount and how expeditiously they arrived at this number. >> donald trump is not stepping firmly into the world of what it means to be a criminal defendant at the end of a legal charge. what i mean by that is by all substantive purposes, funny voices position of donald trump with this indictment is as being the ringleader of everything that went on. he has the most culpability, liability, multiple accounts in the indictment, and his position at the head of every

thing that occurred. because of the, she is going to seek the highest amount a bell for him, not only because of his liability and culpability and pushing them there, but also to send a message that he will be treated with the same way that anyone has the head of an organized crime organization would be treated in terms of setting a bond that is higher than anyone else, therefore their participation or involvement will be respected different charges. that is what is going on. sometimes at the judge and how quickly the agreement was reached, i thought it was the vulnerable or surprising if you look at the history of how people prosecute those cases. it's very clear that they are moving ahead. she has to set this before having the arraignment and going forward. that is what is happening here. >> when you talk about timeline, that means every moment counts. katie, trump echoed warnings about his public statements of the judge in the doj election case. experts say it will be hard to stop trump, and the advisers say that the trump campaign

sees a benefit and him testing boundaries of openly attacking judges and prosecutors. beyond the person of the hand, what are the difficulties in policing trump's rhetoric. >> part of it is trump himself. he also sees a benefit in testing boundaries. the interesting thing to, and i think that this is something that nobody wants to say is that it is not the wishes of pretty much anyone in enforcement to imprison donald trump. i think that is something that could be powerful use, and nobody knows -- the fact that he would call himself a political prisoner, the way that he would do such a thing, that is something that could deeply undermine peoples faith in the system, if it had not already been undermined. this is a chicken that nobody wants to engage in. it will make it even more tempting, i think, for donald trump. one of the things working against him is the idea of being booked into the jail and

questioned down in georgia. this is a joke that is under investigation by the justice department because the conditions are so poor. while, donald trump will certainly have his own security and be in a secure, so is a really, really terrible place to stay no matter what. the political gains that he believes he may get from testing these boundaries may be confronting a fine or imprisonment, maybe -- a few minutes in that, yeah is a high price to pay for any kind of gain. it is a terrible place to spend time. >> as you said, a game of chicken that nobody wants. greg, we know that fani willis wants to move quickly with the case. she has 19 defendants. what is her record, i know that you know? what does it tell you about her ability to flip defendants and get them to cooperate? >> you can only back a decade ago to the atlantic public school scandal, where she had a lot of plea deals. she had codefendants, and then she secured prosecutions against most of the remaining

defendants and that high profile case. >> katie, i want to talk about mark meadows. abc news reports that he told jack smith's team that he could not recall trump ever declassifying the mar-a-lago documents. just how important is meadows in this case? >> so this is really important because one of the things that jack smith wants to establish is that the president is not being truthful in any way, either mentioned or handled classified information. this is not evidence for the prosecutors, of course, because mark meadows, even though he cooperated and said and answered questions, you don't actually know and he will say on the stand. all he has to do is add that he could have said that to somebody else, and it would undermine the prosecution. that said, it's not just mark meadows who said that. as i mentioned earlier, it's also the former vice president. if you could throw in, for example, the white house legal counsel, if nobody has ever heard about this, that is something that could be a compelling reason, more circumstantial evidence that

there is ponderous and pieces of evidence that enshrines the practice of disregarding rules or classified information and not being truthful will be powerful in front of a jury. >> let me ask a person who has been a courtroom and tried cases. when you hear from mark meadows, and then you hear mike pence chime in and say the same, there was no broad declassification, as an attorney who is building a case, with this essay to you. >> it tells me that these people are not going to hesitate, to throw donald trump under the bus. if i'm donald trump's defense team, i have long since said that mark meadows in particular is the linchpin for a lot of prosecution as it relates to the former president. this is evidence of the fact that prosecutors understand that and they know that. they will continue to hammer that home, in hopes of potentially cutting a deal or flipping mark meadows whatever where they can. >> you mentioned earlier the fact that donald trump is facing the highest bail of the could defendants, in part, because he's seen as the head

of the oppression. another question about that which is, how does this play out financially? how long does it generally take to try a case? and what are the type of resources that you need to get through that, understanding that he is burning through the cash that he is racing as he is raising it? >> it depends on where you sit in position of the rico case. for someone like donald trump, who is just there as the head, it will be very, very expensive. this is something that before you get to trial is going to be at least several months. once you actually get to the point of trial, you're talking about what i would expect to be multiple weeks. this could easily last for over a month with respect to the actual jthe way to the verdict. that's something that that trump has to be prepared fiscally for, because it is not going to be cheap. he is going to cast his political action committee, but we can expect that he will continue to use this to try to raise more and more funds. he will need every dime about

that, which is why i suspect that he is not opening's coffers to pay for the fees of everyone else, knowing that indictment, because he needs the money himself for his own defense. >> if you had mark meadows talking to the prosecutors about the classified documents case, what does that tell you about what prosecutors think about the election interference case? >> the better question is what does it tell us about january six. the reason i say that is because people have said that jack smith may not necessarily be done with donald trump to see. if i and the attorney for mark meadows, i am trying to cut as wide a deal on everything as i can. it may not necessarily extend to fulton county, but it will keep me of hot water at the federal level. i think that people need to remember that jack smith has other investigations going with respect to donald trump. it's not just the election interference, it's also january six that may be a conversation that mark meadows is having with the department of justice. >> i always like one of those questions replaced by a question. katie, jack smith basically

slammed trump's -- wettest we need to know about the filing, and do you see the trial taking place before november 2024? >> so i think there, i can say that the child would probably take place before the election. we'll know for certain after the judge has the hearing and makes a ruling. however, let's go through what is the justice department set in rebuttal to trump's team, what trump's team will take a tremendous amount of time to bring it to trial. one of their main arguments was you had to go through so much information. indeed, they were looking at millions of pages of documents, tens of millions of pages of documents. that is true, a tremendous amount of government information to put their. what the special counsel office set and its filing was much of the information has been available to them for a long time in part because it was -- related to the january six investigation. it was information that had already been given to the trump team, as information that the special counsel team has meticulously gone through and marked and highlighted and noted the most important parts,

basically creating a roadmap for trump's legal team to go through all of the documentation. that is one of the first things that they pointed out. another thing that they point out is the mom of times that trump's legal counsel say that these kinds of trials take. one of the things that the special counsel finds out is that, we were just looking at the amount the time the trial would take, they were also factoring in the weeks and once it takes to send somebody to put them in jail. they were kind of taking more and more time than actually it would look out for a child this type. they said that was totally irrelevant, and that it should not impact when the -- date reemphasize is the american public's right to know what is happening with donald trump with the trial and everybody in the public, democracy, it all benefits from a speedy trial. >> trump understanding a missile hunter percent of the shots he did not take, i would make meadows move to dismiss the case. >> i think it's to be expected. i also think it's something that donald trump is going to welcome, and that seems

intuitive to a point, because you think it yourself, why would he want him to the case that gives him to testify? it also gives donald trump time. i think that's another thing. we are going to see, you have 19 defendants. you are going to see a lot of different -- from each and every one of the defendants up to and including trying to get themselves out of this case. all that does is by donald trump more and more time because funny willis has to recalibrate out she is going to try to use case. she has to respond to the emotions, that motion schedules have been set, and that all helps and delay, delay delay, which as we know, is one of his primary tactics. >> greg, before i let you go, i am curious why is that you are watching for this week out of georgia? >> well, i am watching for ground level efforts of republicans to punish fani willis for the investigation. we've already seen that today. republican state senator clint dickson writing a letter essentially saying that he would file an investigation against fani willis, when the

law takes effect later this year to sanction an investigation against funny willis. this is part and parcel of the efforts that we're seeing from of donald trump's allies, they find ways to punish fani willis, you're using her resources in this investigation. >> greg bluestein, katie benner, charles coleman jr., nikki so much for getting us started. coming up, our brand new polling showing donald trump in the league. julian castro and david jolly we'll breakdown trump missing the debate means for the party and their chance to call at the four-time indicted president. later, extreme weather on the west coast as president biden towards the devastation of mali. with up to a climate change expert about what we're seeing next, when the 11th hour is getting underway on monday night. night.

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yes five into the iowa caucuses. the crowded republican field is facing a front runner with a huge lead in brand-new and pc news des moines register pulling. steve kornacki has the numbers. >> well it is the first in the nation caucus almost exactly five months from tonight that they will be casting those first ballots in the iowa republican caucuses. here it is. we have our first look in the brand-new nbc news des moines register poll here. going to be seeing a few of these before the caucuses on what the state of play is in

iowa. and it is a big lead for the former president. donald trump at 42% in our poll. more than doubling of his nearest rival and he is not that near. rhonda santas that is a 23 point lead for donald trump overwrought of santa's. none of the other republican candidates out of single digits. tim scott from south carolina on the closest. he is running at 9%. so a big lead for donald trump and of course donald trump for the last few months all sorts of stories of his legal issues. several indictments. the fourth indictment came down last week here. you see among island republicans about two thirds saying no that they do not think trump has committed serious crimes. so those indictments have not really been dragging him down. in fact a portion of our poll was actually conducted last week after news of the most recent indictment in georgia came out. and in the portion of the poll, trump's support actually increased a little bit. signs that republicans have a rally around trump's reaction when these various indictments

occur. so a big lead for trump. not being weighted down too much it seems by the indictments. but if you are a trump opponent. you might take some hope. the favorable unfavorable ratings here. what is interesting is that donald trump is not actually the most popular republican in iowa this race. ron desantis actually is. and tim scott look at this, 59% favorable, 17% unfavorable. so trump popular. but desantis and scott are extremely popular as well. so when you see them trailing, it is not because i will republicans do not like them, it is that right now they are just saying they are with trump. but there is at least potential room for a desantis or scott to tap into the goodwill and maybe to build support. maybe the key number for those candidates in the rest is this. more than 50% in the poll saying that their mind is not yet made up so there is still an opportunity for some of these candidates to cut into the trump lead. >> steve kornacki, thank you so

much and with that, i want to bring into of our favorite nbc political analyst, former republican congressman david jolly and julián castro. former secretary of housing and urban development and msnbc political analyst. david jolly, nobody reads a poll quite like a one-time candidate. you've seen your share of polls. when you see the split between the fact that most of these voters are going to vote for donald trump. but they do like desantis and tim scott. what is it city? >> i think what jumps out at me from kornacki's numbers is the fact that two thirds of republicans think donald trump is not engaged in serious crimes. because that does suggest that is not going to be an issue on which other republican candidates tackle donald trump. perhaps they soft to make the case of whether or not donald trump can win. or whether he is distracted. but i would suggest that what it means is that the race remains strongly donald trump's. i think on the debate stage, we will see all of the other candidates try to take on ron

desantis. because if you are republican candidate on that stage, you do not get ahead by taking on donald trump. you get ahead by taking on ron desantis and injuring him on that stage. in some ways, this could be a make-or-break night for the florida governor. >> i think we all know the answer to whether or not there will be all almost a groundswell of republican hopefuls who have decided that this is their moment to challenge the autocratic tendencies of donald trump. it is unlikely that is what we see this week. but it would seem like a missed opportunity not just for their politics and their party but for democracy. >> well it would alicia. it would not surprise me at all if none of them except chris christie goes after trump in a big way. maybe hutchinson. to me they are kind of three lanes. trump occupies his own line. then you have trump and anti

trump. really the only person fully in the anti trump lane is chris christie. all of those trump blind folks, about everybody else. i do not expect them to do much. it is a missed opportunity. because to me, the most interesting part of that, which steve presented. was 50% who says hey, we've not even made of our minds yet. they don't know about a lot of these candidates. they don't know their history, don't know their personality, what they have to offer. this is a big opportunity for those folks to make their case. part of making a case is also distinguishing you from the person that these folks are gravitating to. that they seem to like the most. which is donald trump. and he comes in with such a big name advantage. if they do not take advantage of this opportunity, and you can't fault anybody about yourself. on somebody's leading by 23 points and you don't have the guts to go up against him in a big debate like this. >> david, we talk about a party that is in upheaval. part of it is that the institutions that have traditionally booed the party,

the rnc made the criteria to qualify the debate. so messy that there is confusion among the own candidates about who is actually going to be onstage. leading to a bunch of them being like no i qualified. saying we are not so sure, you let us check. mcdaniels on tv yesterday practically begging trump to participate. it reveals the party as an institution it's self is in shambles. >> yes, it certainly does. look at the rnc was we fashioned in donald trump's image, not unlike his incumbent presidents opportunity to put their input on the rnc. but it really becomes legal defense fund, if we can infrastructure, the disclosure of donald trump. and then the chairwoman still wanted to be. even though she has to administer an impartial primary for the presidential nomination. so what you see is disarray and disorder. look i think we are all suggesting maybe that it's not

a big night wednesday night because donald trump will not be there. but there could also really be that moment that defines a candidate for good or bad. and i think ultimately that is what we will be looking for. the rnc, fox news as a host, they need a donald trump there. he left them on the altar and it remains his party and his enterprise if you will. going into this race. not the shiniest moment for the rnc. >> left them at the altar for tucker carlson. which is really saying something. buying campaign announcing a 25 million dollar ad bite. it would seem they are taking the opportunity of republicans in disarray to actually begin testing their general election message. >> that is the luxury joe biden has. doesn't have a very strong primary challenge from two other candidates. so he is luxury, he has the resources now because they've done well at this point in the campaign of raising money. making this 25 million dollar investment. announced significant here

because a good part of this in investment is in the african american community and latino community. and we know in states like arizona, nevada, georgia that whether or not, especially young people in the community shows up to vote could make a huge difference when you are talking about winning a arizona by 11,000 votes. winning georgia by a few thousand votes. and also competitive races in places like michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. it's good they are getting out there early, making these investments, not taking it for granted. >> before i like, oh i only have about 30 seconds, left i do have to ask you of the recent polling we saw that showing trump supporters trust trump more than their own friends and family. or their religious leaders. i mean it speaks to the challenge that we are up against. >> it does. look, donald trump has led a cultural almost sociological movement. and he parked in the republican party. i think that is what has been so hard to follow and study. he has suggested to a part of

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temporarily down. as the average annual rainfall fell in over six hours. entire neighborhoods blanketed in sludge. residents evacuated by bulldozers. >> the town being washed out in both directions is not a good sign. >> and in washington state, wildfires forced thousands of people to leave their homes. here is jesse kirsch. >> with thousands of people under evacuation orders and dozens of homes destroyed, tonight, unpredictable wildfires are testing eastern washington state. >> as i turn one, 80 from here it's just gone. >> out side spokane, the great fire devastated multiple communities. >> we had about half an hour to get out. >> sandy hastings and her husband fled their vacation home. now they are staying in a red cross shelter. waiting to see what is left of the rubble. >> devastating. with us now to discuss, doctor michael mann. distinguished professor and

director of the pence center for science, sustainability and sustainability at the university of pennsylvania. author of the new book, our fragile moment. how lessons from earth's past can help us to survive the climate crisis. it is available september 26. it seems like this extreme weather is now just a fact of life. how do we reckon with that? >> good to be with. you unfortunately, we are seeing climate change and all of its guises in the form of extreme heat, record heat, record wildfires, record floods. this is what we predicted decades ago would happen if we continued with business as usual. we continue to burn fossil fuels and generate carbon pollution. and one of the planet. as a climate scientist, worst thing that can happen is that your predictions come true. and that is what is happening right now. we are seeing it play out in realtime. >> professor man, you talk of

what we can do to mitigate climate change, reducing with emissions for example. but also how we can adapt to this new normal, can you explain that piece? >> sure, there is a certain amount of climate change that is baked in. we are going to have to contend with this elevated risk that we are not seeing. and we are going to need to find ways to be more resilient. to put in place adaptive measures that can help us to minimize the threat. the impact of the extreme weather events, of coastal inundation of all of the impacts of climate change. but adaptation alone will not be adequate if we continue to warm up the planet. we will exceed our adaptive capacity. so any reasonable strategy has to involved adapting to the changes that are now baked in. that are inevitable in preventing the additional changes we where we can. that's where the good news is. because now we know that if we stop burning fossil fuels and generating carbon pollution,

the surface of the planet will stop warming up. within a matter of a few years. the impacts will stop getting worse. so there is a direct and immediate impact of our efforts to address the problem. >> it is good news, it would be better news if we could get our governments there. it would seem to me that there are a series of challenges here among them climate deniers but also people who look at these fires, look at these storms and feel hopeless. in the face of a problem as big as climate change. i wonder what you would say to them? >> yeah, denial used to be the problem. people denying the reality, the impacts of climate change. that is just not credible anymore. because we can all see it happening. it does not mean that the bad actors, that the polluters and the petro states have given up. but they have turned to other tactics and ironically as you alluded to. one of those tactics is actually to fan the flames of doom-ism and despair. because if we truly believe we

have no agency, if we believe there is nothing we can do to prevent the problem from getting worse, then potentially it leads us down the same path of disengagement. as outright denial. so we have to be aware of these other tactics being used to thwart our efforts to address the problem because the only obstacles at this point are not technological, they are not physical, they are political at this point. >> to that point, i look at the title of your book, how fragile moment how lessons from earth's past can help us to survive the crisis. are those lessons for individuals or are those lessons for governments and institutions? >> well both at the same time. because ultimately, we are not going to see policy action without collective action. without people voting. and using their voice to effect change, to demand change, to hold politicians accountable. to vote out climate deniers and the layers and vote in climate champions. so it requires both. here is really the message that

we can draw when we look at earth's past history. we see examples of stability, of resilience. the climate system has a certain amount of resilience built into it. and we can see episodes and examples of that in the past. we can also see examples where earth's climate started to spin out of control. when you hit it hard enough, it can spin out of control. so right now we are sort of a knee in between area. there is still a margin of error. if we get our act together, if we prevent the warming of the planet from exceeding two or three degrees celsius, we can prevent the sort of runaway catastrophic climate scenario, but if we fail to act now we will truly see catastrophic global scale changes in our climate that will call into question the stability of our civilization. so at this point, it is up to us. there is still a margin of

safety. if we act now, we can avert disaster but we have to act now. >> fragile moment indeed. michael mann, thank you for your time. coming up, a store owner shot to death by a man please say confronted her about her pride flag, just weeks after a new report found a rise in anti lgbtq harassment. we will talk to the president of glaad when the 11th hour continues. ou continues. ♪ ♪ start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. from big cities, to small towns, t and on main streets acrossd the us, you'll find pnc bank. helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people who live and work there grow and thrive. we're proud to call these places home too. they're where we put down roots, and where together, we work to help move

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tonight after the shocking killing of a lori carleton. police say that the store owner, mother of nine and lgbtq community support was shot by a man who made remarks of a pride flag on display outside of her store. nbc's maggie vesper has the details. >> we are all suffering. the whole community is. >> tonight, in what is being called a senseless act of violence, a california community in mourning. after authorities say a shopowner, designer for the stars, wife and mother was shot and killed by somebody angry of the pride flag hanging outside of her store. >> respond to shots fired. san bernardino county deputies say 66 field laura and carleton died friday at her store magpie. near lake arrowhead. investigators say the suspect had moments earlier made several disparaging remarks about a rainbow flag that stood outside of the store. robbyn lyles owns nearby shops and says others in the neighborhood had noticed a man

peering into store windows and ducking between cars. but had no idea things had turned violent until a customer came running panicked. basically screaming, lori has been shot. closer to. he might still be out there. i said oh my gosh, is she okay? said no, i think they are saying she's been killed. hearing those words, something very shocking. >> authorities say the suspect led on foot, leaving carleton to die at the scene. deputies found that more than a mile north of the shop. they say the suspect was armed with a handgun. authorities writing, when deputies attempted to contact the suspect, a lethal force encounter occurred and the suspect was pronounced deceased. california governor gavin newsom calling it absolutely horrific. adding to the disgusting hate has no place in california. the shop, still marked by bullet holes, now surrounded by a rainbow colored memorial. carleton an outspoken ally of the lgbtq community.

leaving behind a husband of 28 years and a loving, family that included nine children. two of her daughters released a heartbreaking message on social media. remembering their mother as fearless, cool and compassionate. always putting others first. tributes pouring in from celebrity customers and clients. including jamie lee curtis, sexy messages kristen davis and frederik sewell. we're not director policy posting that laurie carleton was my friend. if people do not think anti-gay and trans rhetoric isn't dangerous, think again. >> tonight, police have identified the 27 year old gunman. officials tell us nbc news they're investigating the killing as a possible hate crime. with me now to discuss, sarah kate ellis president and ceo of -- this is a census and horrific crime. it is also one that you and your organization do not find shocking. tell me more. >> yeah, unfortunately we do not find it shocking. we just released a report with

the adl at the end of june. it looked at the past year for violence and hate speech against our community. or threats of violence i should say. there were over 350 violent attempts against our community in the past year. we have seen an enormous uptick in violence against our community. at drag advance, at places that are supposed to be safe spaces. and now we are seeing it against our allies. remember, nine months ago practically to the day was a shooting at club q. back in november. so we have seen tremendous violence against our community this year. especially. >> icicles tell nbc news the killing is being investigated as a possible hate crime. the gunman had a history of making posts that were critical of the lgbtq community on multiple social media platforms. your response? >> so one thing that we do at

glaad is released a report every year about the social media safety index. where we look at the top five platforms and we measure them. they all fail in terms of keeping lgbtq community safe on their platform. and that is because all of the rhetoric is allowed to rise and be monetized. so i'm not surprised. they accomplice people in rhetoric and hate speech against our community at these platform. especially twitter, or exes that is now called and facebook. leading the pack on this. >> sarah kate, i do not need to tell you the moment we find ourselves in. it is not just rhetoric, it is state legislation targeting lgbtq americans all across the country. what are the things that struck me about lori carleton's story is that this was not the first time that she had caught flak

for having the flag outside of her store. it got taken down multiple times. and each time she put up an even bigger flag. so for people watching, who feel disheartened by what they hear from our leaders. from what they see in action from our leaders, by the fact that this is a story that has transpired in the year 2023. what is your advice to americans who want to combat this kind of hate? who want to be on the right side of history? >> i want to say two things to what you just said. number one, that there have been over 600 anti lgbtq pieces of legislation have been proposed this past year. that is just from january till now. and against our community, in marginalized community. so we have been used as a political football by the republicans. and this rhetoric that they are spreading actually has real

life consequences, as we are seeing just played out. i want to say, to those who are disheartened by this that this is not america. 84% of americans believe in lgbtq equality and acceptance in the country. this is a small minority who are jammed up by politicians and rhetoric, and go out and use guns to hurt people. and violence to hurt people. so this is not america. this is not the majority of whom we are. just as lori is such a tribute and always stood up, never backing down. neither do most americans. because we believe, this is what america's about, equality, diversity, inclusion. >> lead is, at least that is who i want to believe we are. sarah kate ellis, as always, thank you so much for your time. coming up, the small town kansas paper raided by police

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its owner, 98 year old meyer. the search warrant was later withdrawn and seized items were being returned. but tonight, we have a firsthand view of that police raid at the home. watch. >> don't you touch any of that stuff. >> this is my house. get out. stand outside the door. i do not want in my house. >> this video you are watching was posted by the marion county record and you can clearly see at least six men executing the raid while 98 year old mayor looks on in anger and dismay. she died less than 24 hours later. her son eric mayer who is the publisher and editor of the paper believes that the shock of the raid contributed to his mother's death. she was laid to rest this weekend. friends and family honored her legacy in the same church where

joanne was baptized as a baby in 1925. the pastor said john's life and career served as a reminder that small town doesn't have to be small mines. last week, eric mayer told stephanie's mom would have thought of the international support for their newspaper after the raid. >> the last 24 hours, she was just beside herself her whole life. she would now be turned around looking at the outpouring of people. should be very impressed with the organizations that supported us, the news organizations interviewing a. but i think mostly, what the average citizen coming out there and this is one of those issues that crosses left and right. >> tonight, we can report that the newspaper we are working for more than 50 years has more than doubled its subscriptions in the last two weeks. and on that note, i want to wish you a good night. i'm alicia menendez in for stephanie ruhle. you can always catch my show american voices on saturday and

sunday at six pm eastern right here on msnbc. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. staying up late. >> happy to have you. here georgia senator raphael warnock is going to be our guest to live this evening. senator warnock does not do all that many tv interviews these days. i feel lucky to have him tonight. particularly with the whole world's eyes on his home state of georgia. given the ongoing drama there that is centered on the phone county courthouse and the fulton county jail. again, u.s. senator raphael warnock from georgia's when you're joining us here live in a moment. very much looking forward to that. president biden is in maui tonight as we spe